----- Forwarded Message ----
From: shamim dalvi <sdalvilegal@gmail.com>
To: Mr Alok Tholiya <tholiya@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 13 November, 2010 3:31:15 PM
Subject: Re: Sayyad bhai has thrown a brilliant question who none r able to awnser but.........Alok
Dear Alok,
Am in agreement with what you have written. Honesty does not pay and
those who are upright are looked down upon. BUT that does NOT mean
that right thinking clean people should suffer the unclean majority.
I am with you and share your views. Keep up the good work.
Regards,
Shamim
On 11/13/10, Mr Alok Tholiya <tholiya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> No one ever told you this ..... no one has courage... but Alok does not mind
> making whole world enemy. Some want to kill me / hate me / wish I die but I
> would take that as a wish of god and vice a versa will not take wrong
> statements
> as wish of god.....Alok
>
>
>
> U r right cent percent. But Sayyad bhai what have we all done to ensure that
> Mr
> Clean rises. If there is a Mr Clean in our area/community we ignore him and
> only
> respect one loaded with money, has car , has lots of influence, throws
> parties
> etc etc. Mr clean r side lined by all, ignored, even family looks at him
> with
> hate as he is not able to make money. Media will cover any one who bribes,
> throws cocktail parties, gives controversial statement, is communal, who
> allotts
> flats to journalists, who takes them to foreign trips, gives them VIP passes
> and
> gives them ready made news to be cast. Since Mr clean is unbias, can not
> throw cocktails, can not favor media etc etc he never gets press coverage.So
> either Mr clean dies in suffocation / depression or becomes spiritual and
> resigns to fate/ destiny. I have in my life seen so many unsung honest
> officers
> and politicians wgho cud not rise in life and nothing was wrong with them
> but
> was totally ignored by masses and media. U want to try????
>
> Go as a ordinary man to any gathering , live in honestly earned one room
> apartment, live simple and see the treatment you get from society. On the
> otherhand earn black money, do frauds, committ crime ( but police and
> judicial
> system) , throw party ( and all who's who will attend), drive in in a
> shuafer
> driven premium car and see how like madhumakkhi ( honey bee) people crowd
> you
> like a hero. Then give some communal / controversial statement and see all
> media
> will be covering you.
>
> If u r a trustee of a educational institute and take money and do favor to
> media
> and police and mantralaya then you rise further, you are resppected,
> bureacrats
> sanction land and licence to you to build more collges so you make more
> money
> but if you are honest and give admission only as per rules/ merits then ur
> own
> friend and relatives who wanted favours turn in to ur enemies , govt ,
> police,
> officers etc keep you away, and ur institute becomes a khandahar/ ordinary
> place
> where as those who take donations and bribes their institute becomes modern,
> AC,
> luxerious well amintained institute. This is because apathy of ordinary
> citizens
> who will not support a honest worker /institute but give tons if their arms
> are
> twisted when they want admission for their wards.
>
>
> Honestly reply how many honest social worker / institute u have personally
> supported in your life??? Where as how many times you have contributed ( as
> bribe or donations) when you needed their help, approached by influential
> rogue.
>
>
> Believe me I have never ever approached anyone for any financial help or
> support
> for my activities as I will get none and will have to only be put in odd /
> embarrassing situation but people put their whole mite ( men and machinery)
> behind a corrupt neta as he will not harrass them / will help in customs
> when
> they arrive with lots of shopping, will help them when need
> licence/permissions/want to save their illegal structure/ will help when
> their
> wards committ some illegal acts( rash driving, drugs, fights/ etc) , and the
> list goes on.
>
>
> Why blame politicians?? They have risen that heights because media has given
> them exposure and people have voted them in. Speak against people who vote
> on
> personal , communal,linguistic ground and speak against our worst judicial
> system who has never punished influential, biggies, VIPs, political heroes
> etc
> etc. Dawood and all other mafias r so not because they were so but because
> the
> police, media, courts found in them money making machine and backed them to
> the
> core. 60% of Mumbai is slumbai not because anything genuine but because
> bureacrats, police and courts ( who dish out stay /injunction on bribe) who
> encouraged it happen and not because of politicians. If wardofficer wanted
> he
> would not let it happen even if Gandhi nehru wanted ( top of politicians) ,
> if
> police wanted they cud put them behind bars under MRTP, if courts wanted
> then
> they would have not given stays so liberally and nither wud have delayed
> cases
> for decades. So the sysytem we r having is bad society which respects
> criminals
> and bribers and we find solace in cursing politicians.
>
> Do u find that society respects ordinary honest ??? Dont you see everyday
> even
> so called intelligensia/ successful only welocme warmly one who has money (
> means to becomes monied is never cared for) ???? And u want honest
> politicians.
> We are the soil .It is we who r breeding notorious , nefarious ,
> politicains.
> And then looking foe fruits when we are only letting poisonus plants to come
> up.
>
> Work for improving the quality of soil( yourself) and see automatically good
> plants will rise. All those criticising politicians are themselves
> adultrators,
> frauds, chamchas of rich and mighty,r unetical in their proffession (
> doctors,lawyers,teachers,CA.s etc etc ) they r bas contractors who do not
> deliver promised quality, they r selling inferior ahrdware, duplicate /
> cheap
> chinese good, putting up illegal business/ structures etc etc , and list
> goes on
> ( supposing some one approaches u that he can get u a flat in MAHADA in poor
> man
> s quota at peanut will u refuse???), develop this idea and tell me who is
> corrupt and this kind of society can we develop and have honets
> leaders???????
>
> Lastly if by chance a very honest seffronist is contesting against your own
> community person who is a criminal and corrupt then whom will you vote for??
> (
> vice a versa I ask others too )???
>
> Let us first be honest, deliver honestly what we committ to our customers/
> clients, live simple , let us not be in a hurry to rise ( by wrong means) ,
> pay
> for all services ( most take illegal connections, liceneces etc ) , help
> honest
> poor social worker and then expect honest leaders.
>
>
>
> For Issues of Sr. citizens : http://varishthanagrik.blogspot.com/ Issues of
> Public interests : http://aloktholiya.blogspot.com/
> http://tenantsoftholiyabhavn.blogspot.com/ For harrassed litigansts :
> http://litigants.ning.com/ For education funds :
> http://ngoandsociety.spaces.live.com/default.aspx •Also subscribe to my very
> popular yahoo group for mails on ahead of time views: Send blank mail to:
> menow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com precious collections:
> http://beautifulwe.blogspot.com/
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/aloktholiya
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> To: mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source@yahoogroups.com
> From: m.s.sayyed@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:27:08 +0530
> Subject: RE: [mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source] U.N.Slams City
> Corps
>
>
> The only unanswerable question in the reality show Kaun Banega Crorepati is
> to
> name Mr Clean in our politics even after using all life lines.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> To: mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source@yahoogroups.com
> From: rrpdalal@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:14:02 +0530
> Subject: RE: [mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source] U.N.Slams City
> Corps
>
>
> And are they bringing back R R Patil Home Minister of 26/11 fame back in to
> Prithviraj Chavans cabinet?
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Thanks and Regards, Alok Tholiya (S.E.O.), M:9324225699 : ONLY AUTHENTIC
> FREE
> MATRIMONIALS WEBSITE FOR DIGAMBAR JAINS: www.digambarjains.com/
>
>
>
--
Thanks & Regards
Shamim Dalvi
From: shamim dalvi <sdalvilegal@gmail.com>
To: Mr Alok Tholiya <tholiya@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 13 November, 2010 3:31:15 PM
Subject: Re: Sayyad bhai has thrown a brilliant question who none r able to awnser but.........Alok
Dear Alok,
Am in agreement with what you have written. Honesty does not pay and
those who are upright are looked down upon. BUT that does NOT mean
that right thinking clean people should suffer the unclean majority.
I am with you and share your views. Keep up the good work.
Regards,
Shamim
On 11/13/10, Mr Alok Tholiya <tholiya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> No one ever told you this ..... no one has courage... but Alok does not mind
> making whole world enemy. Some want to kill me / hate me / wish I die but I
> would take that as a wish of god and vice a versa will not take wrong
> statements
> as wish of god.....Alok
>
>
>
> U r right cent percent. But Sayyad bhai what have we all done to ensure that
> Mr
> Clean rises. If there is a Mr Clean in our area/community we ignore him and
> only
> respect one loaded with money, has car , has lots of influence, throws
> parties
> etc etc. Mr clean r side lined by all, ignored, even family looks at him
> with
> hate as he is not able to make money. Media will cover any one who bribes,
> throws cocktail parties, gives controversial statement, is communal, who
> allotts
> flats to journalists, who takes them to foreign trips, gives them VIP passes
> and
> gives them ready made news to be cast. Since Mr clean is unbias, can not
> throw cocktails, can not favor media etc etc he never gets press coverage.So
> either Mr clean dies in suffocation / depression or becomes spiritual and
> resigns to fate/ destiny. I have in my life seen so many unsung honest
> officers
> and politicians wgho cud not rise in life and nothing was wrong with them
> but
> was totally ignored by masses and media. U want to try????
>
> Go as a ordinary man to any gathering , live in honestly earned one room
> apartment, live simple and see the treatment you get from society. On the
> otherhand earn black money, do frauds, committ crime ( but police and
> judicial
> system) , throw party ( and all who's who will attend), drive in in a
> shuafer
> driven premium car and see how like madhumakkhi ( honey bee) people crowd
> you
> like a hero. Then give some communal / controversial statement and see all
> media
> will be covering you.
>
> If u r a trustee of a educational institute and take money and do favor to
> media
> and police and mantralaya then you rise further, you are resppected,
> bureacrats
> sanction land and licence to you to build more collges so you make more
> money
> but if you are honest and give admission only as per rules/ merits then ur
> own
> friend and relatives who wanted favours turn in to ur enemies , govt ,
> police,
> officers etc keep you away, and ur institute becomes a khandahar/ ordinary
> place
> where as those who take donations and bribes their institute becomes modern,
> AC,
> luxerious well amintained institute. This is because apathy of ordinary
> citizens
> who will not support a honest worker /institute but give tons if their arms
> are
> twisted when they want admission for their wards.
>
>
> Honestly reply how many honest social worker / institute u have personally
> supported in your life??? Where as how many times you have contributed ( as
> bribe or donations) when you needed their help, approached by influential
> rogue.
>
>
> Believe me I have never ever approached anyone for any financial help or
> support
> for my activities as I will get none and will have to only be put in odd /
> embarrassing situation but people put their whole mite ( men and machinery)
> behind a corrupt neta as he will not harrass them / will help in customs
> when
> they arrive with lots of shopping, will help them when need
> licence/permissions/want to save their illegal structure/ will help when
> their
> wards committ some illegal acts( rash driving, drugs, fights/ etc) , and the
> list goes on.
>
>
> Why blame politicians?? They have risen that heights because media has given
> them exposure and people have voted them in. Speak against people who vote
> on
> personal , communal,linguistic ground and speak against our worst judicial
> system who has never punished influential, biggies, VIPs, political heroes
> etc
> etc. Dawood and all other mafias r so not because they were so but because
> the
> police, media, courts found in them money making machine and backed them to
> the
> core. 60% of Mumbai is slumbai not because anything genuine but because
> bureacrats, police and courts ( who dish out stay /injunction on bribe) who
> encouraged it happen and not because of politicians. If wardofficer wanted
> he
> would not let it happen even if Gandhi nehru wanted ( top of politicians) ,
> if
> police wanted they cud put them behind bars under MRTP, if courts wanted
> then
> they would have not given stays so liberally and nither wud have delayed
> cases
> for decades. So the sysytem we r having is bad society which respects
> criminals
> and bribers and we find solace in cursing politicians.
>
> Do u find that society respects ordinary honest ??? Dont you see everyday
> even
> so called intelligensia/ successful only welocme warmly one who has money (
> means to becomes monied is never cared for) ???? And u want honest
> politicians.
> We are the soil .It is we who r breeding notorious , nefarious ,
> politicains.
> And then looking foe fruits when we are only letting poisonus plants to come
> up.
>
> Work for improving the quality of soil( yourself) and see automatically good
> plants will rise. All those criticising politicians are themselves
> adultrators,
> frauds, chamchas of rich and mighty,r unetical in their proffession (
> doctors,lawyers,teachers,CA.s etc etc ) they r bas contractors who do not
> deliver promised quality, they r selling inferior ahrdware, duplicate /
> cheap
> chinese good, putting up illegal business/ structures etc etc , and list
> goes on
> ( supposing some one approaches u that he can get u a flat in MAHADA in poor
> man
> s quota at peanut will u refuse???), develop this idea and tell me who is
> corrupt and this kind of society can we develop and have honets
> leaders???????
>
> Lastly if by chance a very honest seffronist is contesting against your own
> community person who is a criminal and corrupt then whom will you vote for??
> (
> vice a versa I ask others too )???
>
> Let us first be honest, deliver honestly what we committ to our customers/
> clients, live simple , let us not be in a hurry to rise ( by wrong means) ,
> pay
> for all services ( most take illegal connections, liceneces etc ) , help
> honest
> poor social worker and then expect honest leaders.
>
>
>
> For Issues of Sr. citizens : http://varishthanagrik.blogspot.com/ Issues of
> Public interests : http://aloktholiya.blogspot.com/
> http://tenantsoftholiyabhavn.blogspot.com/ For harrassed litigansts :
> http://litigants.ning.com/ For education funds :
> http://ngoandsociety.spaces.live.com/default.aspx •Also subscribe to my very
> popular yahoo group for mails on ahead of time views: Send blank mail to:
> menow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com precious collections:
> http://beautifulwe.blogspot.com/
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/aloktholiya
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> To: mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source@yahoogroups.com
> From: m.s.sayyed@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:27:08 +0530
> Subject: RE: [mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source] U.N.Slams City
> Corps
>
>
> The only unanswerable question in the reality show Kaun Banega Crorepati is
> to
> name Mr Clean in our politics even after using all life lines.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> To: mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source@yahoogroups.com
> From: rrpdalal@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:14:02 +0530
> Subject: RE: [mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source] U.N.Slams City
> Corps
>
>
> And are they bringing back R R Patil Home Minister of 26/11 fame back in to
> Prithviraj Chavans cabinet?
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Thanks and Regards, Alok Tholiya (S.E.O.), M:9324225699 : ONLY AUTHENTIC
> FREE
> MATRIMONIALS WEBSITE FOR DIGAMBAR JAINS: www.digambarjains.com/
>
>
>
--
Thanks & Regards
Shamim Dalvi
