Fw: Every foolish ignorant crying against corruption...we r all one ( exception proovs the rule) ( if u r n exception pl. dont feel offended for general remarks..

 

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Dr. Leo Rebello <prof.leorebello@gmail.com>
To: Mr Alok Tholiya <tholiya@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, 5 December, 2010 1:49:17 PM
Subject: Re: Every foolish ignorant crying against corruption...we r all one ( exception proovs the rule) ( if u r n exception pl. dont feel offended for general remarks..

 

Your family may not read/listen to your Sunday sermon.

But I read it.  However, from a person like you, people look for solutions.

 

 

From: Mr Alok Tholiya

Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:15 AM

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Subject: Every foolish ignorant crying against corruption...we r all one ( exception proovs the rule) ( if u r n exception pl. dont feel offended for general remarks..

30yrs back I had waged a war against a very corrupt and autocratic mumbai municipal officer. I succeeded in getting him transferred. ( I thought so). After few months I went to BMC HQ to meet Chief Vigilance officer for lodging a complaint against another erroring officer who was regularising unauthorised structures left right and center.

 

And LO what I find? The king of corruption whom I had fought to get transferred was sitting as Chief vigilance officer.

 

If u r a corrupt social worker then u get ticket as u can arrange stay in posh hotels for visiting Delhi VIP's of ur party, u can arrange for a girl and wine and can broker for a mafia and builder and hotelier. If u dont have these merits then all parties will deny u tickets.So u have to be a sophesticated pimp with good repport with media and police and underworld to  be a successful politicians.

 

Since politicians need money to fight elections which r damn costly they start the wheel of corruption. But since files move thru IAS/IPS/IRS/Chief Judges they select and appoint only very corrupt. The more u r known for corruption and autocratic behaviour the more chances of rising. Now u will find in 60 yrs of independence we have achieved a system where only top corrupt rises thru throny ladders and honest are put in some non meaningful , powerless, administrative or adivasi  portfolios.Khairnar < Bhatia etc r few names who were punished and made mad in this system.

 

 

 

Also since their work should go on unhindered they make opposition leader their partners in this loot.

So ruling party, opposition party,bureacrats, media and judiciary are all in league in sucking ur blood, taking u to 15th century and inflicting on u rude and barberic ( no human/ compassionate touch I find anywhere) ( rather if there is any softness then it is towards law breakers/ criminals/ wards of whos who, etc).

 

And incidentally BJP has too has mastered the art of ruling and they r ahead in corruption in Karnataka etc.. They it seems belive in lohe ko loha hi kaat sakta hai and therefore they too r ammassing funds by huge corruption.

 

 

System is so  beautifully devised that only heartless/ consciuosless/ethicsless/characterless persons can rise who have infinite lust for  power , sex, money. Pl. note there r exceptions to this rule too and I am sorry for generalising as I am talking of majority.

 

Their lust can never be satisfied. Given the choice I will worship Haji Mastan who atleast knew when enough is enough but present politicians, bureacrats do not know that. They wont even blink if some one was giving them a flat inexchange of widow of Kargil forget about just the land/ flat for Kargil widows. They r obsessed with power and money like manics and scizofrenics. ( Dont mind my spellings no time to correct and refer to dictionary .com).They r in the mad race where everyone wants to be something and no one wants to do something for country/ countryman. So they compromise with everything immoral,cheap,vulgar,illegal,unethical.

So therefore our life is a hell, our files and cases are delayed, our development is stopped and reversed in most cases . now forget China/ Malaysia etc Mumbai is behind Delhi by 15 yrs thanks to BJP-shivsena combine in BMC  and Cong govt of Maharashtra.

 

Any statician can prove how many proven corrupt have been given more important positions/ posts/ etc.. But our media is busy with Bacchan,Tendulkar,Munni, etc and keeps only tab of see todays Times ( Anil ambanis reply to his brother and Sanjay Datta giving Rols royce to Manyata etc etc. This is a caliber and priority of National no. 1 newspaper!!!!!????

 

Gossip is all that we deserve??? I feel we have govt and media ( shameless and corrupts) that we deserve.

And definitely thousands years old  Jainism scriptures say this is what going to happen in Kaliyug where devils will rule and nondesrving will rise and good and honest will suffer.

 

Being disturbed by family and also knowing no one wants to read my mail as there is no photo of Kareena and Kapoor and so... so I stop here.

 

 

Thanks and Regards,
Alok Tholiya (S.E.O) M:9324225699

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From: Dr. Leo Rebello <prof.leorebello@gmail.com>
To: premsabhlok@yahoo.co.in
Cc: "V. Moily, Union Law Minister" <vmoily@kar.nic.in>; Oscar Fernandes <oscar@sansad.nic.in>; "CM, Maharashtra" <chiefminister@maharashtra.gov.in>; Chief Secretary (Maharasthra) <csomah@bom3.vsnl.net.in>; Governor of Maharashtra <rajbhavan@maharashtra.gov.in>; CVC <vigilance@hub.nic.in>; President of India <presidentofindia@rb.nic.in>
Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 5:37:52 PM
Subject: Is the IAS Bureaucracy destined to be guillotined in the near future? Replace it with Indian Public Welfare Service -- Dr. Leo Rebello comments

 

Dear Mr. Prem Sabhlok, Ex IAS, who is now settled in Australia

 

Read your email below.  First Finance Minister CD Deshmukh's comment re: ICS  remains the best.

He had said: "They are neither Indians, nor civil, nor in service". Only the label has changed from

ICS to IAS. 

 

Those in the IAS, IPS, IFS, etc. are 95% corrupt or incompetent. By changing the label further

from IAS to IPWS - Indian Public Welfare Service, as you suggest, nothing is going to change. 

We have to change everything from top to bottom. 

 

As I have said time and again, we can at least defeat a corrupt politician during the elections. 

Like corrupt congress is now wiped out in Bihar. But one corrupt IAS/IPS or Judge rules over us

for 30 to 35 years and barring a few small fries, show me an instance that they have been removed. 

 

For example, IAS officers like Uttam Khobragade, whose name has surfaced once again in the

Adarsh Society scam and who has several cases of corruption, incompetency, impropriety,

stupidity against him should be sacked forthwith under article 311. But he continues brazenly

by using his caste card and will be allowed to retire (he is due for retirement soon) with full pension

by the corrupt coterie.

 

We indeed need hire and fire policy.  More importantly we need an Executive President rather

than a Harvard Educated chauffeur mentality man driving the car of development to doomsday

by listening to the foreign amma doing backseat driving. We also need immediately a

National Judicial Commission to hire, train and fire judges who too have become so

corrupt and ruthless. The Collegium is a con. But people are afraid to talk against these legal

goondas. 

 

Best Wishes

Dr. Leo Rebello

 

PS : Those in the CC are receiving this message as another reminder to act

on Uttam Khobragade. My application for his ouster under article 311 of

the Constitution of India is on record.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Prem Sabhlok

Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:37 PM

To: undisclosed recipients:

Subject: Is the IAS Bureaucracy destined to be guillotined in the near future? Replace it with Indian Public Welfare Service

 

Dear All, There is an urgent need for an all India debate on the subject of continuation of Colonial Model of IAS Bureaucracy.

Views of some former Retired/Ex IAS officers (B.S.Raghavan, Shankar Sharan, Dr S Sanjeev and many others) are given below.

A. Views of B.S Raghvan IAS (Retd Secy Govt of India )

Appointments based on one time competitive examination with no periodical weeding out of the incompetent and corrupt induces smugness and militates against accountability.

2. Healthy debate on some alternate model is necessary.

3. Originally IAS was seen as replica of the ICS- incorruptible, independent, public spirited and result oriented. Unfortunately the system did not work as originally contemplated. All this has been eroded in the last 60 years.

4. While the Armed Forces, Foreign Service and many other Central Services are indispensable and necessary for nation building, but without IAS country would not come to stand still.

5. There are instances when non IAS persons when posted into top echelons usually earmarked for IAS, distinguished themselves by their higher caliber and competence.

B. Views of Dr. S. Sanjeev PhD- former Secretary and Commissioner

If IAS as a Service does not want to be ousted, it must establish as its role mission the delivery of world-class standard…. Otherwise IAS is destined to be guillotined in the not too distant future.

2. Today IAS is a smashed up auto-riksha. They are busy in filling TA/DA forms, chasing after their pay slips, ensuring their pay scales remain higher than other services, chasing car/house loans and other bits and pieces of Personnel ministry, local treasury pursuing with Accountant General office lest they have trouble on retirement in getting right amount of Pension.

3. Most of the IAS officers confirm their own poor ability of leadership by passing the buck to politicians. There are umpteen areas where political leaders do not play any role in their work and functioning….Dr. S. Sanjeev has mentioned a large number of such areas in his well known book Breaking Free of Nehru. Let's Unleash India available on Website <http://bfn.sabhlokcity.com>

4. Whole world public services are evolving and reforming. In IAS it is total stagnation in ideas

We apply principle of competition and merit in assembling cricket team but do not apply in IAS bureaucracy.

5. Till date in the last six decades IAS officers have not made any distinction between Independence , Freedom and Swaraj (governance to citizens). This lack of distinction has led to ineffective and weak local governments. Cities after cities are becoming urban nightmare under their non accountable and non transparent administration.

Etc etc…

Views of others

Politics the noblest Endeavour of Gandhi, Nehru, Patel under the strong steel frame of ICS officers has been made the dirty mafia Politics by the rusted steel frame of IAS bureaucracy's selfish, non transparent and non accountable advice by ensuring that needle of blame always moves towards political leaders.

The famous saying In Bihar mentioned by an IAS former Secy to Govt of India- Bihar cadre- "IAS officers are"Garam, Naram and Be-Sharam"After training in the IAS Training Academy they aregaram-highly enthusiastic, soon under political and senior officers pressures they becomeNaram-insensitive and players in shuttlecock game in regard to taking decisions and later they becomeBe-Sharam-freely resort to corrupt practices and encourage young IAS officers who are inclined to corrupt practices. All honest IAS officers are sidelined as OSD (officers on Special duties).

Ground Realities

Many Newspapers mentioned during recent Parliamentary Elections that in Mumbai many urban voters' names were eliminated in the Voters lists. A study was made for Gurgaon Parliamentary Constituency. For a population of over 20 lakhs, the voters names in the lists were about 8.5 lakhs i.e. about 40% of the population against all India 71% of the population.Again out of 8.5 lakhs urban voters were 2.36 lakhs and over 6 lakhs were rural voters.Thus Gurgaon a Millennium Urban City became a Rural Village as per Voters Lists. Clearly about 6 lakhs urban voters names (about one lakh having voters ID cards) were removed by/under orders of the District Electoral officer i.e. D.C Gurgaon (an IAS officer)

CEC of India on residents' complaint removed the D.C and asked the new DC to prepare an up to date correct Voters list. New DC also could not do so. He was also removed on complaint from residents/political parties.

In future Murder of Democracy is likely to happen if vested interests over take the democratic rights of the citizens. IAS officers need to become transparent, accountable, public spirited and result oriented to save the country being rated as a failed state.

The worst activity of IAS bureaucracy was they have virtually destroyed Local Governance system established by British Govt. Under their rule we had some of the world best cities Bangalore, Delhi, Lahore, Lyallpur, Hyderabad and many others.. IAS bureaucracy by destroying local governments, have made Indian cities as urban nightmare.

They devise all arguments so that Amendments numbers 73 and 74 to the Constitution of India are not implemented. They pass on this blame on political leaders and continue avoiding effective and strong local governments in India.

 

Under IAS bureaucracy maladministration, India is now visualized as anearlyFailed State as per World Development Report 2009 based on the analysis of an International Agency on 12 indicators/parameters.........................

 

Prem Sabhlok

 

P.S

Some more views received from IAS officers (Retd)

1. Millions of confused socialist bacteria swarming in the brain of Indian leaders and IAS bureaucrats has become the cause of national cancerous disease of corruption and poverty..

2. ICS officers were never accountable to the people of India but to the British rulers. IAS officers are trying to perpetuate the same and have become non transparent and non accountable to people of India but only to their political bosses Thus feudal outdated colonial structure continues.

3. IAS officers' interest is not aligned with public interest and they feed public on false promises.

4. There is no internal competition and as such 100% reach the top level in bureaucracy. Now lately they have started grabbing Head of the Department posts of Central Services as well- it can lead rebellion within the different services.

5. We are not making IAS as whipping boy but IAS as Service. It is now neither a Service nor Administration. Need to have accountable, specialized contractual officers on hire and fire basis at the Top inALLservices.

6. Malady is far deeper than projected in terms of simple IAS bashing. British style colonial service neither civil nor service should be replaced by American style Civil Service. IAS is no longer the first/top choice of bright candidates. Revenue Services are becoming the top choice. All services should terminate at Joint Secy level or even Director Level. (Retd IAS Chief Secy Maharashtra)

7. Sardar Vallabh Bahai Patel saw IAS as Steel Frame of Bureaucracy like replica of ICS- incorruptible, independent, public spirited and result oriented.

Now after 60 years all this has been eroded and the perception is self serving, insensitive and non accountable.. (Retd IAS Secy to Government of India )

8. If IAS as service is scrapped country would not come to stand still..(Ex Dy. Army Chief)

I have received umpteen more views BUT not a single in support of continuation of IAS as Public Welfare Service. We do not need to abolish this service but to make it useful as a Public Welfare Service and not as Feudal Adminstrative Service.

The country is anxiously waiting for some remarks in favour of IAS as Public service even from retired/serving IAS officers

Prem Sabhlok

Fw: Sayyad bhai has thrown a brilliant question who none r able to awnser but.........Alok

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: shamim dalvi <sdalvilegal@gmail.com>
To: Mr Alok Tholiya <tholiya@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, 13 November, 2010 3:31:15 PM
Subject: Re: Sayyad bhai has thrown a brilliant question who none r able to awnser but.........Alok

Dear Alok,

Am in agreement with what you have written.  Honesty does not pay and
those who are upright are looked down upon.  BUT that does NOT mean
that right thinking clean people should suffer the unclean majority.
I am with you and share your views.  Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Shamim


On 11/13/10, Mr Alok Tholiya <tholiya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> No one ever told you this ..... no one has courage... but Alok does not mind
> making whole world enemy. Some want to kill me / hate me / wish I die but I
> would take that as a wish of god and vice a versa will not take wrong
> statements
> as wish of god.....Alok
>
>
>
> U r right cent percent. But Sayyad bhai what have we all done to ensure that
> Mr
> Clean rises. If there is a Mr Clean in our area/community we ignore him and
> only
> respect one loaded with money, has car , has lots of influence, throws
> parties
> etc etc. Mr clean r side lined by all, ignored, even family looks at him
> with
> hate as he is not able to make money. Media will cover any one who bribes,
> throws cocktail parties, gives controversial statement, is communal, who
> allotts
> flats to journalists, who takes them to foreign trips, gives them VIP passes
> and
> gives them ready made news to be cast. Since Mr clean is unbias, can not
> throw cocktails, can not favor media etc etc he never gets press coverage.So
> either  Mr clean dies in suffocation / depression or becomes spiritual and
> resigns to fate/ destiny. I have in my life seen so many unsung honest
> officers
> and politicians wgho cud not rise in life and nothing was wrong with them
> but
> was totally ignored by masses and media. U want to try????
>
> Go as a ordinary man to any gathering , live in honestly earned one room
> apartment, live simple and see the treatment you get from society. On the
> otherhand earn black money, do frauds, committ crime ( but police and
> judicial
> system) , throw party ( and all who's who will attend), drive in in a
> shuafer
> driven premium car   and see how like madhumakkhi ( honey bee) people crowd
> you
> like a hero. Then give some communal / controversial statement and see all
> media
> will be covering you.
>
> If u r a trustee of a educational institute and take money and do favor to
> media
> and police and mantralaya then you rise further, you are resppected,
> bureacrats
> sanction land and licence to you to build more collges so you make more
> money
> but if you are honest and give admission only as per rules/ merits then ur
> own
> friend and relatives who wanted favours turn in to ur enemies , govt ,
> police,
> officers etc keep you away, and ur institute becomes a khandahar/ ordinary
> place
> where as those who take donations and bribes their institute becomes modern,
> AC,
> luxerious well amintained institute. This is because apathy of ordinary
> citizens
> who will not support a honest worker /institute but give tons if their arms
> are
> twisted when they want admission for their wards.
>
>
> Honestly reply how many honest social worker / institute u have personally
> supported in your life??? Where as how many times you have contributed ( as
> bribe or donations) when you needed their help, approached by influential
> rogue.
>
>
> Believe me I have never ever approached anyone for any financial help or
> support
> for my activities as I will get none and will have to only be put in odd /
> embarrassing situation but people put their whole mite ( men and machinery)
> behind a corrupt neta as he will not harrass them / will help in customs
> when
> they arrive with lots of shopping, will help them when need
> licence/permissions/want to save their illegal structure/ will help when
> their
> wards committ some illegal acts( rash driving, drugs, fights/ etc) , and the
> list goes on.
>
>
> Why blame politicians?? They have risen that heights because media has given
> them exposure and people have voted them in. Speak against people who vote
> on
> personal , communal,linguistic ground and speak against our worst judicial
> system who has never punished influential, biggies, VIPs, political heroes
> etc
> etc. Dawood and all other mafias r so not because they were so but because
> the
> police, media, courts found in them money making machine and backed them to
> the
> core. 60% of Mumbai is slumbai not because anything genuine but because
> bureacrats, police and courts ( who dish out stay /injunction on bribe) who
> encouraged it happen and not because of politicians. If wardofficer wanted
> he
> would not let it happen even if Gandhi nehru wanted ( top of politicians) ,
> if
> police wanted they cud put them behind bars under MRTP, if courts wanted
> then
> they would have not given stays so liberally and nither wud have delayed
> cases
> for decades. So the sysytem we r having is bad society which respects
> criminals
> and bribers and we find solace in cursing politicians.
>
> Do u find that society respects ordinary honest ??? Dont you see everyday
> even
> so called intelligensia/ successful only welocme warmly one who has money (
> means to becomes monied is never cared for) ???? And u want honest
> politicians.
> We are the soil .It is we who r breeding notorious , nefarious ,
> politicains.
> And then looking foe fruits when we are only letting poisonus plants to come
> up.
>
> Work for improving the quality of soil( yourself) and see automatically good
> plants will rise. All those criticising politicians are themselves
> adultrators,
> frauds, chamchas of rich and mighty,r unetical in their proffession (
> doctors,lawyers,teachers,CA.s etc etc ) they r bas contractors who do not
> deliver promised quality, they r selling inferior ahrdware, duplicate /
> cheap
> chinese good, putting up illegal business/ structures etc etc , and list
> goes on
> ( supposing some one approaches u that he can get u a flat in MAHADA in poor
> man
> s quota at peanut will u refuse???), develop this idea and tell me who is
> corrupt and this kind of society can we develop and have honets
> leaders???????
>
> Lastly if by chance a very honest seffronist is contesting against your own
> community person who is a criminal and corrupt then whom will you vote for??
> (
> vice a versa I ask others too )???
>
> Let us first be honest, deliver honestly what we committ to our customers/
> clients, live simple , let us not be in a hurry to rise ( by wrong means) ,
> pay
> for all services ( most take illegal connections, liceneces etc ) , help
> honest
> poor social worker and then expect honest leaders.
>
>
>
> For Issues of Sr. citizens : http://varishthanagrik.blogspot.com/ Issues of
> Public interests : http://aloktholiya.blogspot.com/
> http://tenantsoftholiyabhavn.blogspot.com/ For harrassed litigansts :
> http://litigants.ning.com/ For education funds :
> http://ngoandsociety.spaces.live.com/default.aspx •Also subscribe to my very
> popular yahoo group for mails on ahead of time views: Send blank mail to:
> menow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com precious collections:
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>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/aloktholiya
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> To: mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source@yahoogroups.com
> From: m.s.sayyed@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:27:08 +0530
> Subject: RE: [mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source] U.N.Slams City
> Corps
>
>
> The only unanswerable question in the reality show Kaun Banega Crorepati is
> to
> name Mr Clean in our politics even after using all life lines.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> To: mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source@yahoogroups.com
> From: rrpdalal@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:14:02 +0530
> Subject: RE: [mumbai_intellectuals_voice_and_media_source] U.N.Slams City
> Corps
>
>
> And are they bringing back R R Patil Home Minister of 26/11 fame back in to
> Prithviraj Chavans cabinet?
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> Thanks and Regards, Alok Tholiya (S.E.O.), M:9324225699 : ONLY AUTHENTIC
> FREE
> MATRIMONIALS WEBSITE FOR DIGAMBAR JAINS: www.digambarjains.com/
>
>
>


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Thanks & Regards

Shamim Dalvi

Fw: Happy Diwali.

 

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Manak Agrawal via LinkedIn <member@linkedin.com>
To: Alok Tholiya <tholiya@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, 10 November, 2010 9:48:32 PM
Subject: RE: Happy Diwali.

LinkedIn Manak Agrawal has sent you a message. Date: 11/10/2010 Subject: RE: Happy Diwali. Dear Alokji Thanks for the Deepawali Greetings. A very lovely card with nice wordings. Indeed obliged for your wishes and rememberance. We also pray Almighty for a real satisfactory, happy and great period now onwards for you, your organisation and your family members. With Regards Manaklal Agrawal On 11/04/10 8:35 AM, Alok Tholiya wrote: -------------------- Dear Friend/s, Happy Diwali. May all expect less from life but get much more then expectations.May all get lots of love,togetherness with family and friends, peace and happiness. Thanks and Regards, Alok Tholiya (S.E.O) M:9324225699 View/reply to this message Don't want to receive e-mail notifications? Adjust your message settings. © 2010, LinkedIn Corporation

FW: [menow] Re: Medical ck up.......my reply to my dear sis but also sending to few others....Alok

 

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To: menow@yahoogroups.com
From: bchuriwala@msn.com
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:20:20 +0530
Subject: RE: [menow] Re: Medical ck up.......my reply to my dear sis but also sending to few others....Alok

 

Respected Alokji,
 
My congratulation to you for such an excellent mail.
 
As I have written many times, I offer my personal gratification on your service to humanity in general and to society in particular.
 
Bharat

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FW: A Chat with Dr. Devi Shetty (Heart Specialist)

Dear,
 
This is very interesting & helpful discussion for the benefit of all.
 
Regards
 
P.K.Jain
 

 

 Dr.Devi Shetty, Narayana Hrudayalaya
(Heart Specialist) Bangalore

A chat with Dr.Devi Shetty, Narayana Hrudayalaya
(Heart Specialist) Bangalore was arranged by WIPRO for its employees .
The transcript of the chat is given below. Useful for everyone.

Qn: What are the thumb rules for a layman to take care of his heart?
Ans:
1. Diet - Less of carbohydrate, more of protein, less oil
2. Exercise - Half an hour's walk, at least five days a week; avoid lifts and avoid sitting for a longtime
3. Quit smoking
4. Control weight
5. Control blood pressure and sugar

Qn: Is eating non-veg food (fish) good for the heart?
Ans: No

Qn: It's still a grave shock to hear that some apparently healthy person
gets a cardiac arrest. How do we understand it in perspective?
Ans: This is called silent attack; that is why we recommend everyone past the age of 30 to undergo routine health checkups.

Qn: Are heart diseases hereditary?
Ans: Yes

Qn: What are the ways in which the heart is stressed? What practices do you suggest to de-stress?
Ans: Change your attitude towards life. Do not look for perfection in everything in life.

Qn: Is walking better than jogging or is more intensive exercise required to keep a healthy heart?
Ans: Walking is better than jogging since jogging leads to early fatigue and injury to joints

Qn: You have done so much for the poor and needy. What has inspired you to do so?
Ans: Mother Theresa , who was my patient.

Qn: Can people with low blood pressure suffer heart diseases?
Ans: Extremely rare.

Qn: Does cholesterol accumulates right from an early age
(I'm currently only 22) or do you have to worry about it only after you are above 30 years of age?
Ans: Cholesterol accumulates from childhood.

Qn: How do irregular eating habits affect the heart ?
Ans: You tend to eat junk food when the habits are irregular and your body's enzyme release for digestion gets confused.

Qn: How can I control cholesterol content without using medicines?
Ans: Control diet, walk and eat walnut.

Qn: Which is the best and worst food for the heart?
Ans: Fruits and vegetables are the best and the worst is oil.

Qn: Which oil is better - groundnut, sunflower, olive?
Ans: All oils are bad .

Qn: What is the routine checkup one should go through? Is there any specific test?
Ans: Routine blood test to ensure sugar, cholesterol is ok. Check BP, Treadmill test after an echo.

Qn: What are the first aid steps to be taken on a heart attack?
Ans: Help the person into a sleeping position , place an aspirin tablet under the tongue with a sorbitrate tablet if available, and rush him to a coronary care unit since the maximum casualty takes place within the first hour.

Qn: How do you differentiate between pain caused by a heart attack and that caused due to gastric trouble?
Ans: Extremely difficult without ECG.

Qn: What is the main cause of a steep increase in heart problems amongst youngsters? I see people of about 30-40 yrs of age having heart attacks and serious heart problems.
Ans: Increased awareness has increased incidents. Also, sedentary lifestyles, smoking, junk food, lack of exercise in a country where people are genetically three times more vulnerable for heart attacks than Europeans and Americans.

Qn: Is it possible for a person to have BP outside the normal range of 120/80 and yet be perfectly healthy?
Ans: Yes.

Qn: Marriages within close relatives can lead to heart problems for the child. Is it true?
Ans : Yes, co-sanguinity leads to congenital abnormalities and you may not have a software engineer as a child

Qn: Many of us have an irregular daily routine and many a times we have to stay late nights in office. Does this affect our heart ? What precautions would you recommend?
Ans : When you are young, nature protects you against all these irregularities. However, as you grow older, respect the biological clock.

Qn: Will taking anti-hypertensive drugs cause some other complications (short / long term)?
Ans : Yes, most drugs have some side effects. However, modern anti-hypertensive drugs are extremely safe.

Qn: Will consuming more coffee/tea lead to heart attacks?
Ans : No.

Qn: Are asthma patients more prone to heart disease?
Ans : No.

Qn: How would you define junk food?
Ans : Fried food like Kentucky , McDonalds , samosas, and even masala dosas.

Qn: You mentioned that Indians are three times more vulnerable. What is the reason for this, as Europeans and Americans also eat a lot of junk food?
Ans: Every race is vulnerable to some disease and unfortunately, Indians are vulnerable for the most expensive disease.

Qn: Does consuming bananas help reduce hypertension?
Ans : No.

Qn: Can a person help himself during a heart attack (Because we see a lot of forwarded emails on this)?
Ans : Yes. Lie down comfortably and put an aspirin tablet of any description under the tongue and ask someone to take you to the nearest coronary care unit without any delay and do not wait for the ambulance since most of the time, the ambulance does not turn up.

Qn: Do, in any way, low white blood cells and low hemoglobin count lead to heart problems?
Ans : No. But it is ideal to have normal hemoglobin level to increase your exercise capacity.

Qn: Sometimes, due to the hectic schedule we are not able to exercise. So, does walking while doing daily chores at home or climbing the stairs in the house, work as a substitute for exercise?
Ans : Certainly. Avoid sitting continuously for more than half an hour and even the act of getting out of the chair and going to another chair and sitting helps a lot.

Qn: Is there a relation between heart problems and blood sugar?
Ans: Yes. A strong relationship since diabetics are more vulnerable to heart attacks than non-diabetics.

Qn: What are the things one needs to take care of after a heart operation?
Ans : Diet, exercise, drugs on time , Control cholesterol, BP, weight.

Qn: Are people working on night shifts more vulnerable to heart disease when compared to day shift workers?
Ans : No.

Qn: What are the modern anti-hypertensive drugs?
Ans : There are hundreds of drugs and your doctor will chose the right combination for your problem, but my suggestion is to avoid the drugs and go for natural ways of controlling blood pressure by walk, diet to
reduce weight and changing attitudes towards lifestyles.

Qn: Does dispirin or similar headache pills increase the risk of heart attacks?
Ans : No.

Qn: Why is the rate of heart attacks more in men than in women?
Ans : Nature protects women till the age of 45. (Present Global census show that the Percentage of heart disease in women has increased than in men )
 Qn: How can one keep the heart in a good condition?
Ans : Eat a healthy diet, avoid junk food, exercise everyday, do not smoke and, go for health checkup s if you are past the age of 30 ( once in six months recommended) ....

 

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